Train Collision Times and Other Anomalies

Part Two Eyewitness Account

It was a very long journey from Athens and back in total 15hrs in one day and with a wake up time of 5am. First point of call was the hotel where some relatives of the deceased where staying. In the foyer one woman was wailing with pain. Naturally one cannot engage with peoples grief, we aren't the mass media and have principles which we cannot override. Peoples grief comes first and always will. 

Curteousy of the ex-Minister of Development in the first Syriza government Mr P Lafazani we were able to join his delegation and to get access to the crash site with plenty of time to view remnants of the damage and to speak to the Chief of the Firebrigade on site. 

One needs to understand that on these specific issues Greece is unlike the French or the English and a lot more like the Americans. The firebrigade is subservient to the Police on site and the Police are a political entity who take orders directly from the prevailing Government Ministers. 

 Over Convid the Greek police where given track and trace powers for all citizens who could not leave the house without noting where they are going or they faced multiple fines beginning with €300.

 The police were in charge of the crash site and in their first road block they told us we can’t go through unless directly involved in one way or another. Mr Lafazani managed to convince them that we came from Athens to lay wreaths for the dead.

 Having gone through to the site we managed to secure a 40m question and answer session with the Chief Fire Brigade officer and other close colleagues we understood that they were suffering PTSD and they needed to get some things off their chest primarily with strangers.

 We were told that there was zero evidence of bombs anywhere on the crash site. One cannot assume the Chief Firefighter was lying as he was very open and stated after the collision from impact the train wagons caught fire from the materials contained in them. But lets not dwell on whether there was an explosion or not as the impact alone was enough to kill passenger, the issue is whether the ‘explosion’ would have killed more or less and this argument is now similar to the one adopted after 9/11 between the No Plane theory and the Planes theory which doesn’t override anything else from the debris site ie kerosene cannot melt steel beams and the subsequent evidence of thermite.

Train Times

The Passenger train was delayed over 50 min in Larissa due to faulty electrical cables (could have been cut or damaged by external forces and this happens frequently by those who steal cables for money) by that time the freight train had travelled far down the track. The signalman then places the passenger train on the same line as the freight train and 25km out of Larissa they collide. Here is where it now gets interesting.

Pulverised Debri of the canteen.

The Chief Firefighter stated that when they arrived from all over towns close to Larissa the ambulance service and a couple of big buses were already there.

He stated they arrived between 11.50 to 12am. People had managed to escape the collision from the back carriages (3 front ones were damaged beyond repair one was fully pulverised). 

Time of Train Crash 11.22pm

Firebrigade arrival 11.50-12pm 

Ambulance service already there prior to 11.50am

The actual length of time of the collision was 16m. So 11.22pm and 16m already is 11.36pm. If we are to allege passengers rang after that for emergency services as the trains personnel was already dead and this took max another 4m we are at 11.40pm.

Anyone ever involved in a head on collision of any sort knows that the times I have given are ridiculous in terms of reaction of passengers and cannot be held to be serious as they are the shortest amount possible to give the benefit of the doubt to the other side that the emergency services responded after a passenger call.

The scene of the crash site is approximately 25km Larissa. Last 3km you go along dirt tracks to to get to the side of the train where emergency services set up camp with the army present probably the next day. It is physically impossible even on permanent standby with being able to leave immediately (assume the engines of the ambulance service were on and a signal as if we are in a car rally was made and they left immediately) to go to a crash site the location of which they don’t know 100% and it is already dark outside to arrive any time prior to 12am.

Where the emergency services are. This is approx. 2-3km from a main road.

This in and of itself shows this was a pre-engineered event. Time cannot be created out of thin air and rickety ambulances aren’t 4by4  vehicles which easily can go over dirt tracks.

Larissa General Hospital 

The Chief Firefighter was baffled as to how they were there so swiftly. Of course phone logs wont be provided at what time of day was the ambulance service called to leave Larissa General Hospital which happens to be 2-3 blocks away from the centre but still in a congested part of the town. 

 This is of course assuming all ambulance crews are ready on no other calls out and they can go there at the drop of a hat. Everyone knows the collapse of the Greek health system due to the enforced austerity of the EU-IMF in the 2010 decade for which the country has never recovered. The focus on explosive materials may be a diversion from the point of view of the actual events themselves and what we can understand from what is a rapidly changing situation. We will return.

 Evans Aggelissopoulos